Well I never received them in the mail so I wouldn’t know and can’t get ahold of anyone to figure out what happen
I had the same shoes but in a different colour before these and I must've walked & cycled thousands of miles in them before they finally gave way. I did look around at different brands but there's no better shoe at this price in terms of quality and ethics. They look really smart and go well with casual clothes and the lining is a really nice touch. I'd love them in camouflage if they ever became available again, either way I'll still keep buying these shoes as long as they exist.